Episode 6 - Rob Bell, Part 1: No Spoilers

Rob and Anni discuss “the myth of busy,” the “thisness” of us all, and his latest book Where’d You Park Your Spaceship? No spoilers in this episode.

Listen to full episode :

Transcript

Hello, welcome to Barely Christian, Fully Christian. This is Anni Ponder. This podcast explores loving Jesus being repulsed by much of Christianity and relating to the Holy Spirit as the divine feminine, or as I prefer to call Her, Mama God.

In today's episode, I talk with none other than Rob Bell. We discuss "the myth of busy," the "this-ness" of us all, and his latest book, Where'd You Park Your Spaceship? This is part one of our conversation, and in this episode, there are no spoilers. So whether or not you've read this wacky, essential book, you won't be disappointed.

And hello, Rob Bell. Welcome to Barely Christian, Fully Christian, where we talk about all sorts of things. I am so glad you are here. Wonderful to have you.

It's great to be with you in your closet.

In my closet, I know.

Miles away, but also in your closet.

Right, if the folks back home could see this, it's it's quite a sight. For anyone who is not really familiar with Rob Bell, I'm just going to let me there's too much. Let me sum up. Rob Bell has had a professional journey like a river, like a windy, twisty river. And he has pastored, he has influenced thought, he has written, he has made plays. And today we are talking about his most recent production, Where’d You Park Your Spaceship? We could probably go on and on about Rob Bell, but I think that's probably all we need to know to do this talk. Would you, would you anything?

Right. Yeah, we're good. We're fine with me. I'm fine with it.

Okay, cool. All right. All right. So some of the questions that I want to bring up are not going to spoil the plot in case somebody has not yet read Where'd You Park Your Space Ship? So what I was thinking is we'll do those questions first and then I'll say, all right, now if you haven't yet read this book, please turn this off, go read the book and then continue because I want to talk about some of the some of the events that happened that would definitely spoil the plot for folks. So listeners, readers be warned, there will be some spoilers in here.

That's funny. Okay. Yeah. Okay, let's go.

So you are an experienced sci -fi writer, correct?

Incorrect. I haven't ever even read. I've read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy otherwise. I have almost. I can't think of any other sci -fi. So I don't even know if it is sci -fi. Is it sci -fi? Someone asked me that they said Well, what makes this sci -fi other than spaceships and planets now is like who said this is sci -fi?

Okay, great.

Or you would find this fascinating a relative of mine asked what whatever what I was working on something and There's this this is a couple years ago this book that I don't know. Oh That sci -fi I would never read that. Just just blanket like just by the way, which I think this is fascinating like I never said This is fascinating how people have these categories that Are sort of irrelevant to me.

I agree. Genres are only helpful maybe if you were setting up your bookshop Yes, so I I am the same I am not a seasoned sci -fi reader I too have read hitchhiker's guide and maybe one Michael Crichton when I was 17 I think that's the name of a sci -fi author. I'm throwing that out now and suddenly feeling…

That sounds right. That sounds right. You're good.

So so I am also I am not good at reading Sci -fi so that's one of the reasons I had to once I was finished with the book go back and start again because I had no idea what was happening and I and I don't have great context for it, but oh my goodness. What an enjoyable experience learning who these people are and figuring out what, how they experience life and the and and kind of seeing the world through especially Heen’s eyes and having epiphany after epiphany while he does.

Yeah, and that was really. When like the narrator essentially the main character Heen, Heen Gru-Bares A couple friends gave this really interesting note when they read the original draft that It's only really when Noon Yeah shows up late in the book. They said that the action kicks in. Yeah. So you probably should start there because otherwise you're going to lose all your readers. But I had this really interesting, it was a very compelling sense like no, this story, because you follow Heen through his youth, you have to be with him for a very long time, like decades, so that when what happens happens, I just remember like, no, the book is a feeling. That has you have to be with him long enough that you can feel it.

Yes, it's necessary backstory.

Yes. There's a weight. Yes, what he's carrying around that if you haven't lived with it with him, then when the air quotes action kicks in, it then that's just like that's just action as opposed to like, oh my God what is happening here my heart?

Yeah, you have to really understand the depth of his grief before the action can make any sense at all.

Mm -hmm, and then he when he starts to I remember thinking If you've been with him and then when he starts to feel like he's almost like un-numbing, if that's I just I just think they remember this oh That's like That sits like way lower in the body.

Right well, that's actually what I wanted to ask first so Heen is this incredible noticer of everything and I love the way like he'll be talking about I don't know a word that Sir Pong has said and he stops. And he holds the word in front of him and he looks at it Marvels at it and then he goes on with this thought like this guy sees and and he's there for it, but then At the point I think that you're talking about he has this epiphany this like oh my noticing is Actually keeping me from experiencing

Yeah, and he's like And even when he begins to dawn on him, I might he thinks he might be the best person in the universe at this job I'm really good Series Five, but then he starts was actually I think I'm really good at my job Because I'm like so asleep in other ways It's like and then Noon Yeah shows up and she's like my god. I read the reports on you and you're like one of the best, but You miss so much. It's almost embarrassing right I Was just like all these layers for him of like He just keeps the disorientation just is in like full And she's like just the embodiment of it. Like she's just like, yeah, you're like, seriously, a step behind how you're the ones we have out here doing this job. We're not in good hands. You realize this.

Right. The universe is in real trouble if you're at the home.

The listeners to your podcast are like, what are we talking about? What is actually happening? I know inside baseball, inside baseball. It's very. It's actually quite fun.

It is actually quite fun. Um, so my question that I wanted to ask about that is what I know from you also personally, I see a lot of Rob Bell in Heen I keep picking up like, Oh, I think I've heard you say something like this. Um, the noticing this, the pausing that Heen and does to marvel at somebody's facial expression or kind of like tilt his head and go, huh, about something that is a detail most of us would let slide right by.

Mm -hmm.

I think that's a virtue. I'm pretty sure At least mm -hmm to a point that it doesn't eclipse feeling and experiencing. So I wanted to I wanted to hear you talk about Where you learned to do that and how that has come into your experience.

That's interesting you say that I do I do feel like I'm moving a Half-step slower than everybody. And that that is a That is a sensation like a that is a feeling that I have on a regular basis that like the whole thing is lit up in some significant way that Your it requires moving a half -step slower to see it even when you meet people and You know what do you do? What do you do all the formalities people do or yeah? It's been a bit of a rough week, but you know we're Okay, what why? Why why was it a rough week? What was that about? Oh? like In my experience you're just a couple questions from the depth. Well, you were here in Ojai sitting under the trees like it was it one or two or three questions and the whole world opens up inside a person and it's so rich and complex and Emotional and Riveting.

It's a whole treasure chest.

And it requires Nothing other than just moving a half -step slower and some curiosity. So I just find human beings are Incredible and there's so much to explore, just a couple of people in a room, sitting outside under some trees.

Agreed.

So it's, it, the whole thing is actually way more interesting. And, like when people talk about, yeah, but like the news, the world's falling apart. Sorry, that's what you're calling the news is not the news. It's an outrage, scandal, tragedy, algorithm, industrial entertainment complex. That's not the news. So, stop telling me that that's like, well, you know, you got to be tuned into how the world really is. No, I'm telling you, the world is, you're getting a like a warped view. It's actually a warped view of how the world actually is.

Absolutely. And so if I'm understanding you correctly, the art of going a little slower is what allows for the deep noticing. That's what I'm going to call it. It's like the deep magic, the deep noticing.

Oh my goodness, yes. I mean, you were... That's the story you told me about driving along.

Right. And something arises. Yeah.

How many spaces there are throughout the day when music's great, television's great, calling a friend is great. Like, there's all these... there’s also silence. And if it's like all these numbing devices are... They're wonderfully comforting and can be incredibly entertaining.

But there is a... There is an emptiness and spaciousness out of which things arise. That is so unbelievably interesting. I think of how many people the word meditation is just like, Oh God, I gotta sit on a cushion and try not to... Try to call it like, Ugh.

You have to hum at this certain frequency.

There's also the stillness and silence of listening to what's happening inside of you that's like the most riveting thing imaginable. Yeah, and so much comes out of that stillness and just even just a long exhale. How many things are at the end of a intentional exhale? Like the number of people I've noticed myself included who, just pausing and a long inhale and exhale like, Oh wait, got some anger in there. What's that about? Or just tell there's a thing to do around the house. Oh yeah, that would make things way better. Very simple. Let's... Like just... And it's very granular, very... You know, just basic everyday sorts of things that are just right there that are... Make the whole thing... Terribly Interesting.

Do you think we can learn this? Do you think there's hope for...

Yeah, like, I don't mean to interrupt you. Do you have a good question going there?

Well, it was a half question.

When I was 30, I hit my head wakeboard and had a closed head injury. So for a weekend, I was out of it. So they took me to the hospital. They got me in the boat. They took me to the hospital. I wasn't making any sense. There's like something's wrong here. So I had like, it's the basic concussion. But I was driven back and my friend drove me back to our house and I... This has been the summer of 2000. I saw the house that Kristen and I and our young boys lived in like I'd never seen it. My body knew there was a familiarity, but my mind, I was reintroduced to my life. It lasted about a weekend until I sort of... Altered state concussion. I was sort of back to normal, but for a weekend. I remember asking Kristen how we met It's almost like my brain was so busy sort of plugging everything back in I was trying to do backflips and I kept hitting my head on the water and knocked something loose.

I didn't have any past or future, the brain is like the brain was too busy just plug everything in so I could only be in the moment right now and I remember Kristen introducing me to our boys like these are our boys and the whole thing was like No Way I could see my life from outside my life even though I was also in it and at the time I was very busy standing on stages talking about big things like God and I was, It was like oh, Oh This thing that I'm trying to point people to and explain and talk about the present moment is Infinite in its depth and fullness like I remember I could my brain was My brain was moving so slow that I could follow a piece of dust through like those shafts of light that come through the window. It's funny talking about it now because it was so long ago. But I could follow one of those pieces specks of dust all the way From swirling in the air I could follow it all the way down because the brain was so or Kristen made me a burrito and I could taste all the spite all the spices. I could see them all spatially It was moving so everything was so slow and it was the most interesting. It was beyond it. So I had an experience That like it's like it exposed all of the activity that I was involved in

Mm -hmm

That I thought was gaining or earning or doing a thing that was actually Right there the whole time if I just slowed down and I do distinctly remember thinking in the days following, Trying to understand what had happened, but knowing that the rest of my life would be integrating that experience That I would be working out. Oh, oh if you just keep how would I say it, sinking in to whatever moment you're in, yeah You'll never run out of depth and exploration That's already there.

Yeah, yeah the present moment.

Yeah, so I so that I had a very because I was a very busy driven ambitious For all these big higher purposes that that is a wonderful way to justify all that.

You were saving the world.

I mean, really, you can say, I mean, I would probably say that phrase with a straight face at that time, you know, just busy saving the world with a straight face. But anybody who says that now, I'm like, oh, get the heck outta my face. You got to come on, sweetheart, you got a ways to go. And that's fine. Nothing but love. But yeah, so that another thing about it. Yeah, it's been a couple of decades of. Yeah, so like right now, like I'm not busy in my life. There's not like. And people like, yeah, you know, you must be so busy. No, why would you be busy? That's like the weirdest thing or rushed or a day, a day isn't crammed or jammed. That like we already did that. That was like six Rob's ago. I already tried that thing. So. There's another way to go about it. That's what happened to me.

There's another way to go about it. Yeah. My husband and I in book group. John Mark Comer’s, Ruthless Elimination of Hurry.

Last year. Oh, ruthless elimination of hurry. That's a good. That's a good price.

Yeah, it is. And actually the word hurry is scratched out on the cover of the book. So. Ruthless elimination of. Oh yeah. Yeah. And we've been. Inviting that in more and more. Yeah. The slowness. And now-ness. Of not being in a rush. And it's amazing.

And I think the curriculum then will start to bend. Like the whole thing will bend around that you'll start like this is funny to me when we were growing up. I mean, when my kids were growing up, my boys who are older now, but the whole, like as a parent, like you have to have your kid in club sports. Oh, you know that whole thing like you have. If you want your kid to be able to play in high school. You have to be in a hotel on weekends in Spokane because that's just what's required. This is why the curriculum, because our life is like a curriculum of sorts, is so funny to me as my daughter is 14 and a high school freshman and just played soccer for like six minutes when she was nine, but went out for the high school team.

And this afternoon, I'm going to her first high school soccer game with like zero. So all of that over the years, that was all like parents that we didn't do of like clubs, like just to pick a very granular example. Now you need to be really busy with sports if you want your kid to have the opportunity to play in high school. And then my daughter, the other day, is like, hey, I'm going to go out for the high school soccer team as a freshman. And then she's like, yeah, they're not doing cuts. I made it. Oh, yeah, we have a game. She brings home a uniform. And we happen to have landed on apparently the one place in America where a kid doesn't have to have any experience.

You see what I'm saying? About how in my experience, in our experience, you begin to slow down and you begin to see the game for what it is and it starts to bend around you. Like you and your husband, what's your husband's name?

Guy.

Yeah, you and Guy. Like, okay, let's notice the myth of busy and let's just tune into it and let's just see when the people around us are like, you know, busy, it's crazy busy. Oh yeah, me too. Let's just not do that. And then the whole thing starts to show you, oh yeah, you're fine. Yeah. So fascinating how that works.

It is. It's mind blowing because it's your right. It's the water we think we have to swim in.

Yes, exactly.

That's what we realize that we don't. And then the possibilities begin. Yeah. Segue into something else. There's not really a segue. Never mind I lied. Jumping to new question.

That was the segue. Blink and you'll miss it.

I'm making my own bridge right now. Yeah, right. Okay. There is a heavy emphasis in this story on people being themselves.

Oh, interesting. That's new to me.

Oh, really?

As opposed to what? Them being something else?

Well, there's like this emphasis. So the there's a focus on everybody discovering their gifts, talents, and what they want to do, what they're here or here to do. I don't know. No, I thought you did this on purpose. That's really funny. This is a great story. This came through so strongly for me. Here's what I wrote. There's a heavy focus on individual gifting likes and persuasions. It's as if Rob Bell wants us all to be the unique people we actually are, to push, to discover ourselves, and live with total authenticity, as if this will actually save the world. That's how strongly that came through for me.

Oh, interesting. It's actually the absence of emphasis. It's just what's happening.

It's like in a negative space.

I loved, it made me laugh really hard. When Ziga Mae does these almost like teachings, and she's almost resentful of it, and they're all like, oh yeah, they're all like, yeah, she's really good. She has this almost super power, but she's like, ah. These two guys weren't talk. This is the dumbest thing ever. I just had to go start. She's almost like and then when Heen’s like What was that thing in the morning where you were drawing on the ground and you had me as one of your examples? And she's almost just annoyed like yeah, yes, it's this thing. I don't know.

It's just this thing I do.

Then Bobby Freelance is like Obviously he's doing something illegal or nefarious this quiet secret and then you realize and then over time when it's sort of like Nice pretty much just conflict resolution. It's just old -school Mediator right I Just loved him being like this shifty sort of and then you're like nah He's just actually helping fathers and mothers and daughters listen to each other.

He's out there offering some kind of therapy or intervention Yeah, by being himself.

Yeah, just making he's like literally just forcing people Like to listen to actually listen to each other. That's all he's doing. Yeah, yeah, I can see that they all are Sort of Exploding with their own “thisness.”

They are yeah, even down to what people wear like Oh my goodness the socks and yeah Right, which is just like such a Northwest thing my little Pacific Northwest heart was really happy about that. The question one of the one of the teachers I think early on is wearing a robe with question marks all over it.

Right, right Yeah, that's not the one guy in that tube just has question marks all over and he I think that's where he is and yeah Yeah, yeah, and Heen, I was really really enjoyable to have Heen be describing things with no horse in the race. So this is what so -and -so is wearing Ziga May is wearing this sweater that goes on to her knees. And she's got these trainers on that are orange and her hair is tucked into her thing like He's just telling you yes is the world And all the teachers is like the most valued profession and teachers make tons of money and it's very hard to be a teacher because education is so central to it. Like he's just describing. He has no, or he'll be like the library is the largest building in town in the center, obviously.

Obviously, that makes sense.

And must, he can't, he's mustaches. What's the, what is it going on with a mustache? Like I just, it was really, it really just delights me. His describing of how things are is just, just describing. And I've noticed how many readers and interviewers, the describing is like, like this is how the education works. This is the, how a urban planning. Just describing. People like, whoa, it's like so, and what's just describing is way more powerful than this is how our society should be arranged.

Right.

So counterintuitive how that works.

Yeah, and it all goes back to him being able to notice these things in the first place. Him living in that space where he just takes in all this thing and in fact that's, you know, his superpower, his gift and that's, um, that would be a spoiler thing.

Never mind. I'm not going to say that.

Right, right, right. But that goes back to your question about what you experienced as emphasis, which is really powerful to me. You experienced these people and their uniqueness, their this-ness. You experienced it as an emphasis. An emphasis.

An emphasis on the right syllable.

When he's describing it is simply how it is.

Yeah, he doesn't notice that he's doing that. Right. And to him, this isn't at all strange that these people are all how they are.

It's just how they are. And it almost like the emphasis is, oh, perhaps that is how it's almost like as the reader we go, well, let's just live like that.

Yes. That's the real magic of this story is that there's no instruction. There's no, you're right. This is not a thesis. Here's, you know, how to be, how to live. But reading, immersing into this story now has me going, oh, I'd like to do that more. I'd like to see the thisness of the people more.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Slow it down a minute. Listen.

And it's like a different kind of assumption. It's like, like we generally talk about assumptions as negative, but assumptions can also be like a beautiful thing. Like I just assume there's all kinds of things going on within this person. Yeah. Yeah. they have. I just assume that there's all sorts of pain and loss and joy and euphoria and desire and longing and ache. Like I just assume this person's a human.

And there's stories to everything. Including the socks.

Absolutely. Yeah.

Well, speaking of people who have all kinds of stories that I'm really curious about, Dill Tudd.

Oh, yes. As soon as he said that, I was like, I bet we're going to talk about Dill Tudd.

We have to talk about him. What a... Okay, so I have theories about him, as I'm sure many of your readers do. Here's what I wrote about Dill Tudd:

What a character. Healer, seer, knower, eccentric, unexpected. Totally himself. In my estimation, he is a mystic who completely knows who he is. And I am just scrambling. I'm just so curious about his backstory, as I think we all are. Like, is that coming in book two?

That makes me very happy.

That must be coming in book two.

I will give nothing away. But let's just assume that we'll be with these people for years and years.

Yes. Yes.

That, good. Good.

As we must. These characters, it feels like by the end of the book, I'm like, but we're just starting. Good. Now we're just starting. I can see why you said this is book one.

Yeah. And I distinctly remember having this relief as I got towards the end of, oh, I don't. This will end this. This one, it was an ending. This is an ending that's the beginning. I remember, I remember knowing for all along where else we need to go. But also it brought great, just eased up the end of it because.

Oh yeah. It takes the pressure off. It feels like this is the prequel, really.

Mm -hmm.

Like this is the Magician's Nephew or this is the Hobbit. Like it's the beginning, the story before the story. It's how we get to the story.

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And we might, yeah, who knows? We might need to actually go back before we even go forward. Who knows? Just to make sure that we might have to jumble up even a sense of time.

Uh -huh. Who knows? Which one can do? Because as we know time is a spiral and it's not linear. Mm -hmm. So, okay, I'm so curious. Can you please just talk about, Dill Tudd.

Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

Who is this guy? And what if he say, piddle, pidle, piddle all the time? Right, right. And at first it's like a greeting, but it's almost like an energetic placeholder and like the kids respond to it.

Yeah.

It's like this phrase that somehow from him is just a, a greeting, but it has some sort of strange power to it that goes way beyond just a greeting. Yeah, yeah. And also, I love how Heen, he's starting to feel. He's like unnumbing at some level, but one of the first feelings you begin to see him feeling is profound irritation, supernatural annoyance at this guy who does this presumed familiarity. He just shows up and walks with him like they've, oh, Heen Gru-Bares, your questions are so pre- like he and he has these odd speech patterns where you're like, I think that thing about black needs white, white needs black and it all needs itself is actually quite profound. But he's also wearing an all brown outfit that, where does he even get his clothes? And then when you discover like, like when you discover there are deep wells of resentment, where did that come? Like later with Dill Tudd, but you didn't see that, you just see him doing this thing.

And I love how like, he just can't, like Heen doesn't ever occur to him to ask Dill Tudd any questions. And then, and then Noon Yeah is like, wait, what? You're defending a man who hands things out? She just like calls it all.

Or like how she's with Bobby Freelance for like five minutes and she gets him. And Heen is like, so Heen’s missing who these people are at some level. And she shows up and's like, oh yeah, that's good. And then there's something about Dill Tudd.

Oh, like when they walk through that park and that woman is singing, and then he sings with her and he knows all the words. Like there's just, yes, he's not in a rush. He's not in a rush. He has all the time in the world. And yet you discover he may actually be doing something. So he's up to, like he's up to something without any sense of hurry. And yet he has tremendous fortitude and spine.

And he gives off this innocence, like he's just here. And then, but he's actually, you're right. He's actually really dialed in do what he knows what he's doing He's not simple like at first you might think oh, this is just some weird eccentric dude, right, but he's actually…Everyone that he meets benefits from his presence. Presence in both ways because he's giving out gifts also. He's going around like healing people I don't want to give too much away,

But he's yeah, he's yeah, I absolutely Who knows there may be a I love Dill Tudd t -shirt coming soon I think they're actually a tote bag and there might even be a piddle piddle piddle mug that's coming Yeah, because he just I love him for sure.

I Yeah, I'm going back to your I Don't know Like none of the characters are somebody I know Any

You didn't meet somebody and be like I'm gonna write you into a story?

Yeah, really interesting. Yeah, I assume subconsciously but I The creation of these people, any obvious cognitive awareness of somebody in my life is like a kill switch. Mmm. So like who I'm gonna oh, I'm gonna like sort of mimic so -and -so or so -and -so is gonna be in this character Right. Ah like no story that whatever the fire hose is just gets turned off. So I can I can read back through the book and I can see oh that I Can I can see where certain things architecture, Borns wears a white t -shirt in these white like I can see where certain things But I also Can't see The characters to me didn't I've never met them until now. It's a very very interesting because people have been very curious about who like who's who's the homage to or who's the influence and I can pull I sort of you for the life of me. I can't like Dill Tudd. I can't for the life of me Come up with where like where he comes from. Because even his speech and his speech like his odd sort of staccato statements and how he throws off all these Heen Gru-Bares, GRU dash like why the dash why all this needless division?

He's he's just perturbed by things and the ghost pepper bread I mean I like he he's he Yeah, I don't yeah to me. It's all like a hundred percent fresh and original and new even though I assuming I'm drawing from all card. I think I just can't I'm not aware of it

sure Any creative person is drawing from all these different experiences. But I'm going to stick with my assumption that a theme in this book, intended or not, is the “this-ness” of the people. And so it does not surprise me that you're saying, no, I didn't base Dill Tudd on anybody. I don't know somebody who's like him. I've never heard somebody go around and say, piddle, piddle, piddle. Because that's just him. It's just who he is. He just came through your story that way. And you didn't necessarily.

Yeah. And I loved him. Created that. All of them. Yeah. Like, somebody asked, what characters do you resonate with most?

All? All of them. I've, yeah. It's almost like in some people, when they talk about dream interpretation, talk about how in your dream all the different characters are simply aspects of yourself.

Yeah.

So it may appear to be your third grade teacher or the person from the grocery store or whatever, but it's all actually just aspects of yourself.

Which is how life is anyway. We're looking at each other as mirrors.

So that really helped me when I heard someone say that, because none of these characters is me and I, that was like, oh, yeah, aspects of the self. They're bits and pieces. That is why they're almost like with kids. Like I love them all the same. Right. There's no, like, oh, that's the one where I am. A friend of mine actually started reading it. You might enjoy this and got so frustrated because he couldn't figure out which character I was that he just put the book. He's like, I forget it. Put the book down. Walked, he's like, I would just walk away. I was just like, just drove him crazy trying to figure out which one I was. And then later. He's like, and then later I came back to it. And he's like, and I was like, oh, they're all you. I thought was even a funny, even a funnier conclusion.

Well, there it is. Well, I do sense the way that you have written them. That you have a great love for each of them. That they, they are near and dear in a way that a parent feels about their children. Kindof.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, there you have it my friends. Part one of my conversation with Rob Bell with no spoilers.

Stay tuned for the very next episode where we dive deeper into Where’d You Park Your Spaceship? and there will be some spoilers there. So if you haven't read the book yet but you're planning to maybe do that first before you tune in.

If you'd like to learn more about Rob Bell you can find him at robbell.com. You can find me at BarelyChristianFullyChristian.com and from there sign up for newsletters, send me a message or follow me on Instagram or Facebook.

The artwork for Barely Christian, Fully Christian was lovingly created by Lauren Leith of Little Moon Market. You can find her on Instagram if you'd like a beautiful moon of your own. This gorgeous song by Wyn Doran and Paul Craig is called "Banks of Massachusetts." Enjoy.